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06-15-2011, 04:19 AM
I had a French teacher who was not native but had been learning the language since she was a young girl. She may not be from France however she was very good at teaching us things of culture as well as slang and what we should and should not do since she had been to France many times. There are also many native Spanish teachers who are absolutely wonderful at teaching. I think being a teacher and how good you are as a teacher depends on the person and how they process their thoughts as well as their strategies with their students. A non native speaker, I believe, may learn to be just as good but it all takes dedication and very much practice.
*plooka plooka*  Rin no talk. 私の一番な色は何ですか。「Day－－」 黒沼爽子と翔太くん。いつでも/もじもじ-- 30 
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06-15-2011, 04:40 AM
Native speakers don`t have the inherent ability to teach their native language. A native speaker can be worse a teacher than a non-native speaker in many cases...
A trained native speaker will pretty much always top a trained non-native speaker. Unfortunately, when there is the choice between a skilled non-native teacher and an unskilled native speaker, people will choose the native just because, well, they`re native. I think this is probably the root of negative images of native "teachers" - in many cases, it is just assumed that if they speak it they can teach it. If trained, it`s also going to depend on the person. Even with the exact same education, there are "good" teachers and "poor" teachers. Some people are just better at teaching than others. I`m a native English speaker, and have taught English at various points in life. Even with training, I suck at teaching conversation and avoid it at all costs. However, I am apparently very good at teaching grammar and written English... Native English speakers who can teach for written (entrance) exams and the Eiken seem to be at quite a premium. If I wanted to go through the pain of getting a normal teaching license, I`m sure I would have no trouble being a regular English teacher in a Japanese school. I only wish I were as good at teaching Japanese - for some reason I find it incredibly easy to explain English grammar in detail, with comparison examples in Japanese... But am nowhere near as smooth going the other way. It seems that as I mainly do Japanese to English translation, I should have less trouble explaining extremely familiar points of Japanese in English. The opposite is true. It`s a bit of a mystery.
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06-15-2011, 12:45 PM
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I also think you've hit the nail on the head regarding antipathy towards native teachers because they are on the positive end of the bias towards good or bad teachers.
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06-17-2011, 12:18 AM
If a native-English speaker speaks incorrectly, it's still a million times better than a foreigner's broken English.
You would trust a foreigner to teach you Japanese more than a Japanese person? You think a foreigner would speak more correctly than a NATIVE Japanese person? Even a Japanese bum on the street can speak fluent Japanese better than most foreigners.
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06-17-2011, 09:46 AM
Realism. are you stupid or just pretending?
doesn't matter who speaks better but teachers better! and yes. i would rather take non-Japanese teacher who knows how to teach rather than a Japanese homeless person.
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06-17-2011, 10:13 AM
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Proper english literature, you will want trained teacher - IE, someone with the proper ENGLISH education background Just day to day conversation - Someone that can speak it fluently should be sufficient... No??
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06-17-2011, 10:19 AM
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Doesn't that mean they could potentially just be brilliant at teaching mistakes? Meaning that students would in a way be practicing imperfection... Of course the same can be said of a native speaker teaching mistakes, but at least they are more likely to be "natural mistakes". If the person teaching is genuinely fluent then yes, I think teaching ability is a deciding factor, and in the end it doesn't matter if the teacher is native or not. But if the teacher is not fluent, then I would be quite wary of what they were going to teach me and would rather opt for a native speaker who isn't as good at teaching. So in my opinion, it just depends...
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06-17-2011, 11:20 AM
day to day, yes fine, you can practice to talk with a bum. but learning a language is more than just talking.
i think grammar and vocabulary comes first and then only comes pronunciation. if you know how to build sentences correctly and change times then people will understand you far better rather than speaking correctly and not knowing the correct grammar. and i don't believe that a bum would be up to the task. teaching isn't so simple as speaking the language. you yourself need to know how and why things work the way they do and a god damn bum won't be able to teach you that. if they could they wouldn't be bums now would they?
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06-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Surelu many of those who teach grammar etc often use manuals.
Maybe we English have forgotten much of the grammar we grew up with but its easy enough to check it all again. If you are saying that because I am a Native speaker I should not attempt to teach my own language? Should i have to pay out alot of money to get the manuals for teaching? The nearest celta course costs over £2000--- which I could never afford, but it is possible to access manuals. would I turn to a non native japanese speaker or a non japanese? Well naturally I would expect to learn from a Japanese person. Myjapanese friend has been studying EFL here in a school in UK for several years but her listening skills are very poor. I dislike the TEXT BOOKS that are used and the EXAMS. I helped her a great deal with pronunciation. When she first came she could not pronounce "W" as in woman-- she used to say OOMAN, the R's and the L's indistinguishable-- also B and V-- but now with practice-- she has conquered those sounds very well. she is supposed to be good enough to attend University, but in no way is she ready for that because of her poor listening skills. I no longer help her-- try to avoid confusing her lessons. But I feel there is much lacking in the system-- Her pronunciation was helped by reading Nursery Rhymes-- around the ragged rock the ragged rascal ran-- etc-- plus reading sections from newspapers and books-- but she does not seem to have dictation at school. she can talk for ages-- her vocabulary is pretty good, but the minute she has to listen to someone-- her mind just cannot take in what is being said. I was able to help her via EMAILs correcting any errors which she said was a great help.
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06-17-2011, 12:51 PM
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