native speakers teaching

[dogsbody70]

SCOTTISH not scotish.

SCOTS MEN AND Women live in scotland. They do have varied accents depending on where they live.

some are attractive and easily understood-- but some are really difficult to understand.

Surely Americans have many varied accents expressions and dialects and I bet so have Germans and any other countries.

[BobbyCooper]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

SCOTTISH not scotish.

SCOTS MEN AND Women live in scotland. They do have varied accents depending on where they live.

some are attractive and easily understood-- but some are really difficult to understand.

Surely Americans have many varied accents expressions and dialects and I bet so have Germans and any other countries.

We already talked about this remember?

Some can (learn) how to blanket their accent and some cannot. People who cannot live on an Island called Great Britian. Who knows why that is?? Maybe because they do not care or don't need to adjust, don't want to. maybe. don't ask me..

All I can ask for as a Student is, I want to understand my Teacher please!

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

We already talked about this remember?

Some can (learn) how to blanket their accent and some cannot. People who cannot live on an Island called Great Britian. Who knows why that is?? Maybe because they do not care or don't need to adjust, don't want to. maybe. don't ask me..

All I can ask for as a Student is, I want to understand my Teacher please!

so who is your teacher?

[BobbyCooper]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

so who is your teacher?

German Non-Native Speaker

you want to know what the great thing is about her?

I can understand her!

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

German Non-Native Speaker

you want to know what the great thing is about her?

I can understand her!

Is she the one teaching you all this incorrect English you've been using?

Is she the one preventing you from sounding like your "ideal American accent" ?

Is she the one filling your head with insane notions of the rest of the world?

Learning a language is just as much about learning the words and grammar as it is about learning culture and about new places.

You're just putting words together, sometimes in the right order, can you make a TH sound?

[Realism]

Originally Posted by evanny

dogsbody, do you actually read the posts posted?
guy said he would rather learn from a bum. he prefers uneducated, probably drunk, lazy homeless person over educated non-native teacher.

i am not telling natives can't teach. is my english really that bad that you can't get the point? i am telling that unprepared natives are probably worse than prepared non-natives.

and you just admitted that you helped with pronunciation but in order to teach grammar you should get help.

First of all don't put words in my mouth. I never said a bum can teach you Japanese, but he can definitely speak better than 95% of all foreigners.

Now if that's how you want to play it, alright fine, I'd rather hang out with a bum than take classes from your boring typical Japanese teacher who only cares about stupid formalities and yawn-inducing kabuki tea-ceremonies that no regular Japanese person cares about.

Oh, and trust me, if you were to really hang out with a bum everyday for 3 months, I guarantee you your Japanese would be much better than sitting in a classroom for 2 hours a day. That's a guarantee.

[KyleGoetz]

Originally Posted by Realism

I'd rather hang out with a bum than take classes from your boring typical Japanese teacher who only cares about stupid formalities and yawn-inducing kabuki tea-ceremonies that no regular Japanese person cares about.

Uh, I had nearly ten Japanese language instructors over the years, and never once did we talk about kabuki.

[zepuotaku]

I would imagine those particular problems would be even more prevalent for native-speaking English teachers.

[evanny]

Originally Posted by Realism

boring typical Japanese teacher

Oh, and trust me, if you were to really hang out with a bum everyday for 3 months, I guarantee you your Japanese would be much better than sitting in a classroom for 2 hours a day. That's a guarantee.

teachers i have had this year both have lived in Japan for 7 and 11 years. one even married a japenese guy and the other one has a Phd at age of 29. the one with the Phd was the most fun, smart and interesting teacher i have ever had. in 6 months i have learned katana,hirigana and ~300kanji + finished genki I and almost genki II. i was able to speak on several topics with a Japanese native teacher during my exam.
and next year my teacher is going to be a native. we have a system that 1st year is non-native and then native.

so please. shut the fuck up

and you retard, i already told you that only thing a uneducated native speaker can teach you is speaking - but you won't know what the fuck is grammar and rules and you won't be able to make a new, correct conversation beyond thing you practised with the bum.
i tell you again - i am talking about learning everything a language has and not just speaking with a bum.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by evanny

teachers i have had this year both have lived in Japan for 7 and 11 years. one even married a japenese guy and the other one has a Phd at age of 29. the one with the Phd was the most fun, smart and interesting teacher i have ever had. in 6 months i have learned katana,hirigana and ~300kanji + finished genki I and almost genki II. i was able to speak on several topics with a Japanese native teacher during my exam.
and next year my teacher is going to be a native. we have a system that 1st year is non-native and then native.

so please. shut the fuck up

and you retard, i already told you that only thing a uneducated native speaker can teach you is speaking - but you won't know what the fuck is grammar and rules and you won't be able to make a new, correct conversation beyond thing you practised with the bum.
i tell you again - i am talking about learning everything a language has and not just speaking with a bum.

In your OP you were very general about which language or country etc.
I just want to give one real example, and I'm not trying to say it's the case everywhere else, in fact I know it isn't.

In Japan, people have a pretty strong foundation of grammar and rules and structure etc, but very little to no speaking practice.
In most cases, teaching in Japan is hardly teaching, it's just giving them a chance to speak the words they know and correct their errors.
Even in the cases the teacher corrects the error, the student understands immediately why it's wrong, just slipped in conversation, so even then it's hardly teaching.
In Japan it's more conversation partner, or language coach, than teacher.

A good teacher though, who is trained and can actually teach, will thrive and rip apart the competition of non-teachers who really just talk and listen.

But, using my first explanation of Japan, maybe you can understand why Japanese people are in fact biased towards having someone with an accent they hope to speak, rather than someone who can explain grammatical forms and conjugations etc.

Ya dig?