Inception (2010)

[Suki]

Originally Posted by MMM

Any movie you can take a pee break in and not miss anything is a movie that is poorly edited.

Or one that doesn't have constant twists.

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

Also the Dark Knight should have a much lower rating too in my mind. There was nothing special about that movie, only exception was the Joker.

Yes!!! Totally. I'm not into comic-based movies but everyone was saying how great it was so I went and watched it and then I was like... gee, really? I can't see what's so great about it, just another Batman movie. Best thing was it had Richard Alpert in it. Ledger wasn't exceptionally good either, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by MMM

Leaders of what?

Groupthink is the opposite of efficiency.

Show me links of individual people that are saying Inception is one of the ten best movies in the history of cinema.

IMDb is the best you can trust out there. Most reliable site, by far.

And yes, I have seen Inception rated as one of the best movies made in the last few decades, even listed on all-time best movies. Way overrated.


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[BobbyCooper]

Originally Posted by Suki

Or one that doesn't have constant twists.



Yes!!! Totally. I'm not into comic-based movies but everyone was saying how great it was so I went and watched it and then I was like... gee, really? I can't see what's so great about it, just another Batman movie. Best thing was it had Richard Alpert in it. Ledger wasn't exceptionally good either, in my opinion.



IMDb is the best you can trust out there. Most reliable site, by far.

And yes, I have seen Inception rated as one of the best movies made in the last few decades, even listed on all-time best movies. Way overrated.


'Inception' is Already the Third Greatest Movie of All Time - The Moviefone Blog

Inception – The Best Movie Ever Made | Media Maven Musings

Inception and the Top 10 Dream Movies of All Time

Thanks for posting Suki

I was looking around but couldn't find it.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Suki

Or one that doesn't have constant twists.

Inception doesn't have constant twists. It is structured like a team heist movie. A twist, of course, is an unexpected turn. Most of Inception is fairly straightforward, the trick is keeping up with what level of the dream state the characters are in at any one point. Not exactly a twist. And then the ultimate "twist" is really the question... is reality the real world, or one level in?

Originally Posted by Suki

IMDb is the best you can trust out there. Most reliable site, by far.

And yes, I have seen Inception rated as one of the best movies made in the last few decades, even listed on all-time best movies. Way overrated.


'Inception' is Already the Third Greatest Movie of All Time - The Moviefone Blog

Inception – The Best Movie Ever Made | Media Maven Musings

Inception and the Top 10 Dream Movies of All Time

IMDB is a reliable source for movie information, but the top 250 list is based on user votes. Even though I would rate Inception quite highly, it is not on my Top 10 best movies of all time. This is groupthink, and even though it appears in the top 10, it doesn't mean that anyone that voted for it thinks it SHOULD be in the top 10, it just means it got a lot of votes. I think few people would say that Shawshank Redemption is the best movie in cinema history, but there it is at number 1 on the IMDB list. It's a good movie, sure, but not number 1.

You first link is just "reporting" the IMDB situation.

The second link doesn't call Inception one of the 10 best movies of all time. The writer simply says it is the best movie he has ever seen. Subtle difference, but certainly different.

Your third link is the writer's opinion about the top 10 dream movies of all time... and he doesn't even include Inception in the list.

[BobbyCooper]

Why did I expect such an answer?


also, Shawshank Redemption actually deserves the place at the sun MMM. It is there for decades to come and has so many positive messages, not even comparable to the Computer crap like Inception..

[MMM]

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

Why did I expect such an answer?

I am not sure what you mean.

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

also, Shawshank Redemption actually deserves the place at the sun MMM. It is there for decades to come and has so many positive messages, not even comparable to the Computer crap like Inception..

Did I say Shawshank Redemption was a bad movie or didn't deserve a place under the sun? No.

Are you saying you believe Shawshank Redemption is the best movie in cinematic history?

What is "computer crap"?

[RealJames]

I believe computer crap is a reference to the immorality of western cultures.
Tatami crap is more favorable as it's composed of dead skin cells of honorable people with real ethics.

Or perhaps it's CG, because movie fanatics have an allergy to any art form aided by transistors. (Despite mentioning how Hero should make it into a top 100 list...)

[BobbyCooper]

@MMM:

It is impossible to say which movie should be number one. We could make a top 10 list and perhaps agree on not more than 1 single movie.. if any at all.

It all depends on the individual, thats why I showed you a list from many, many people who voted in there at IMDb.com.

Shawshank Redemption for me personally shouldn't be number one, but thats opinion based. It is definitely in the top 10 of all time and therefore deserves to be number 1 as well if so many people voted for it.


@James:

Computer Crap is what we see in almost every single movie these days.. I mean whats the point in acting in front of a green wall I am asking you? And thats what Inception is unfortunetly.

I admit, Hero shouldn't be in the top 100 lists, but Memories of Murder and OldBoy should be recorgnized.. thats actually all I am asking here, repect Asian Cinema. If the top 100 or even top 200 only exists 99% out of Hollywood movies.. well then this list is inaccurate!

[MMM]

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

@MMM:

It is impossible to say which movie should be number one. We could make a top 10 list and perhaps agree on not more than 1 single movie.. if any at all.

Certainly it is a manner of opinion, but not impossible.

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

It all depends on the individual, thats why I showed you a list from many, many people who voted in there at IMDb.com.

You haven't addressed what I am saying. People rank individual movies by their tastes. However, they are not voting for their favorite movies of all time. I might rank Inception a 10, but that doesn't mean I think it is in the Top 10 Movies of All Time. All this list means is that a lot of people ranked it highly. It was up at number 3 a couple weeks after it came out last summer. It is now number 8. Does that mean five better movies came along since then? No. It just mean the initial buzz has cooled down. Please acknowledge this is not a consolidation of peoples Top 10 lists, but just a average of user rankings. No one voted for their Top 10 on this list.

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

Shawshank Redemption for me personally shouldn't be number one, but thats opinion based. It is definitely in the top 10 of all time and therefore deserves to be number 1 as well if so many people voted for it.

No one voted for it to be number one. It just means a lot of people ranked it highly.

It's an average and groupthink.

Originally Posted by BobbyCooper

Computer Crap is what we see in almost every single movie these days.. I mean whats the point in acting in front of a green wall I am asking you? And thats what Inception is unfortunetly.

I admit, Hero shouldn't be in the top 100 lists, but Memories of Murder and OldBoy should be recorgnized.. thats actually all I am asking here, repect Asian Cinema. If the top 100 or even top 200 only exists 99% out of Hollywood movies.. well then this list is inaccurate!

If you are using Inception as an example of overuse of green screen, then I think you are barking up the wrong tree. This production was well known for using much less green screen than expected.

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[myk]

Originally Posted by MMM

You haven't addressed what I am saying. People rank individual movies by their tastes. However, they are not voting for their favorite movies of all time. I might rank Inception a 10, but that doesn't mean I think it is in the Top 10 Movies of All Time. All this list means is that a lot of people ranked it highly. It was up at number 3 a couple weeks after it came out last summer. It is now number 8. Does that mean five better movies came along since then? No. It just mean the initial buzz has cooled down. Please acknowledge this is not a consolidation of peoples Top 10 lists, but just a average of user rankings. No one voted for their Top 10 on this list.

To that end, how is it even possible for there to be a list of greatest movies of all time outside of one based on popular opinion?

Originally Posted by MMM

If you are using Inception as an example of overuse of green screen, then I think you are barking up the wrong tree. This production was well known for using much less green screen than expected.

I heard that they made all the sets and that there was no green screen used.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by myk

To that end, how is it even possible for there to be a list of greatest movies of all time outside of one based on popular opinion?

Naturally there is no definitive way to qualify a list of films that are "the best". I would say even one base on popular opinion would be less desirable, as you would have a list that looks like the testosterone based one at IMDB.