Is Kpop becoming Bigger than Jpop

[tohruchan7]

oh i luv kpop!!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Sashimister

It's so small they don't even announce it. World's #20 is Denmark with 0.5-0.8%, so Korea is smaller than that.

# Country Album Sales Share Share of World Market Value
1 USA 30–35%
2 Japan 16–19%
3 UK 6.4–9.1%
4 Germany 6.4–5.3%
5 France 5.4–6.3%
6 Canada 1.9–2.8%
7 Australia 1.5–2.0%
8 Brazil 1.1–3.1%
9 Italy 1.5–2.0%
10 Spain 1.4–1.8%
11 Netherlands 1.3–1.8%
12 Mexico 0.8–1.8%
13 Belgium 0.8–1.2%
14 Switzerland 0.8–1.1%
15 Austria 0.8–1.0%
17 Russia 0.5–1.4%
18 Taiwan 0.5–1.1%
19 Argentina 0.5–1.0%
20 Denmark 0.5–0.8%

Figures are those announced by International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

hehe... I think it is safe to declare the thread over.

[chiuchimu]

Originally Posted by Sashimister

It's so small they don't even announce it. World's #20 is Denmark with 0.5-0.8%, so Korea is smaller than that.

# Country Album Sales Share Share of World Market Value
1 USA 30–35%
2 Japan 16–19%
3 UK 6.4–9.1%
4 Germany 6.4–5.3%
5 France 5.4–6.3%
6 Canada 1.9–2.8%
7 Australia 1.5–2.0%
8 Brazil 1.1–3.1%
9 Italy 1.5–2.0%
10 Spain 1.4–1.8%
11 Netherlands 1.3–1.8%
12 Mexico 0.8–1.8%
13 Belgium 0.8–1.2%
14 Switzerland 0.8–1.1%
15 Austria 0.8–1.0%
17 Russia 0.5–1.4%
18 Taiwan 0.5–1.1%
19 Argentina 0.5–1.0%
20 Denmark 0.5–0.8%

Figures are those announced by International Federation of the Phonographic Industry

I just ran a little math here. assuming the impossible that Japanese industry doesn't grow, even though internet, anime and games are all popularizing Jpop around the world, Assuming the impossible that Kpop grows consistently by 50% every year which has never happened in the entire history of the music world. It would take Kpop 9 years from now just to catch up to Jpop.

Realistically, Kpop will not catch up to Jpop in our life time. Maybe never.

formula: 16 = 0.5(1.5)^t -> t= ln(32)/ln(1.5) = 8.5

[Kayci]

Just because certain statistics say its impossible doesn't mean it is

And yes, the majority of the audience at the concert were NOT Korean-American

[chiuchimu]

Originally Posted by Kayci

Just because certain statistics say its impossible doesn't mean it is

True enough, but why are you taking it that far?
Why does it matter so much to you that Kpop beats the odds and becomes bigger than Jpop?
Isn't liking Kpop yourself enough?

Originally Posted by Kayci

And yes, the majority of the audience at the concert were NOT Korean-American

OK. I wasn't there so I'll take your word for it.

By the way. what Kpop artist do you like? I liked some of the older stuff like S.E.S. and Baby Vox.

[Sashimister]

Originally Posted by Kayci

Just because certain statistics say its impossible doesn't mean it is

Then, what are the statistics or criteria you're using for your argument? In business, numbers are everything. You don't challenge numbers with "feelings" or "partialities".

In the real music industry, surpassing Japan automatically means becoming Number 2 in the world. Don't kid yourself. Check the size of the Korean economy.

You can love Korean music all you want. But climbing to the world's number 2 position from practically nowhere, which is where Korean music industry stands currently, isn't very realistic.

After all, this thread is about which one is bigger, not which one you prefer.
This is a business thread, not a music one.

[Atredies]

Originally Posted by Kayci

The generalizations I see about Koreans are making me wonder just how educated some of you are.

I do not understand why sashimeister and ronin4hire made this thread into japan is better than korea troll thread. bigger music industry does not translate into better quality of songs. i have unfortunately to agree that american pop songs is the biggest in the world but it pumps out very crappy pop songs to the world's market in 2010. finland's music industry is so small but it has introduced some of the best death metal bands to the world.

you do not need to be disappointed that korean pop songs are not big around the world. it has a good following in america and in new zealand and that is what all it matters.

j-pop is very useful for introducing mandarin pop, korean pop and cantonese pop. j-pop was how i only listen to mandarin pop.

[Sashimister]

Originally Posted by Atredies

I do not understand why sashimeister and ronin4hire made this thread into japan is better than korea troll thread. bigger music industry does not translate into better quality of songs. i have unfortunately to agree that american pop songs is the biggest in the world but it pumps out very crappy pop songs to the world's market in 2010. finland's music industry is so small but it has introduced some of the best death metal bands to the world.

you do not need to be disappointed that korean pop songs are not big around the world. it has a good following in america and in new zealand and that is what all it matters.

j-pop is very useful for introducing mandarin pop, korean pop and cantonese pop. j-pop was how i only listen to mandarin pop.

Nonsense. Just read the thread title. It is about bigger and smaller from the beginning. Anyone who is bringing up the discussion of what they "like better" is destroying the thread.

And where did I say anything negative about the quality of Korean music?

Plus, do read my other posts before you make any judgements about me. I've never even talked to you. What do you know about me?

[Atredies]

Originally Posted by Sashimister

Just read the thread title. It is about bigger and smaller from the beginning. Anyone who is bringing up the discussion of what they "like better" is destroying the thread.

the original poster also discussed the possibility whether k-pop or j-pop is better. he or she said this right around the end of the post.

or is it just that Kpop has become much better??

Originally Posted by Sashimister

Plus, do read my other posts before you make any judgements about me.

i welcome you to the world of internet. you are exposed to judgments by others by the moment you post something. no offense but talk carefully in the first place.

[Atredies]

Originally Posted by Sashimister

And where did I say anything negative about the quality of Korean music?

a certain music industry being bigger could instantly mean being better because it has more listeners to uphold the industry. by the meantime you should read carefully. it is how you word things not to generate misunderstanding when this thread is already a troll thread from the start. this is how majority of flame wars start. so be sensitive and careful what you express on the internet. that is all i am saying.

i have encountered many similar threads like this regarding how crappy mandarin pop songs is on other places. it is very irritating.