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06-15-2008, 05:40 AM

Gorotsuki,

Try both Karate and Aikido. I studied Aikido for years in Japan and taught in the states. I studied Karate after retunring to the states. As an Aikidoka I found my Aikido improved. I see many Karate folks improve after doing Aikido. But they're both so different. Try both for a short while until you gain some basic understanding, then choose one to major in. After you reach 1st or second degree in the preferred art, try the other for a whild. Don't give up on your major, but you can satisfy your interest for another art and compliment your first.
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06-15-2008, 07:27 AM

Not sure if you're talking to me about KM or not, but I'll bite...

Btw, who is that girl? I was wondering when I looked at it earlier this evening...

Anyway, about KM: I don't have any first hand experience with it. I know people that do and I've done reading and watched a couple docs about it. Several of the people I know that tried KM had backgrounds in Capoeira and Tae Kwon Do and a couple of others beforehand and they all said the same damn thing: "Holy SHIT, that's rough." The documentaries that I saw compared it to other similar styles and showed the training as practiced in Israel by the military and civilian sector.

I'm sad to say that my experience is all second-hand . I would love to try it out and get my ass kicked a few times by a crazed instructor who always tells stories about using a KM elbow to difuse a bomb >_< ! (SUGOI O_O) Jk...

I owuldn't mind doing a closer examination of what the USMC teaches, but I'm afraid I'll have to become a marine to do that... and, well, I don't mind the idea of being a soldier in a war, but I don't want to be a bullet sponge n_n;;; .


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But, that's always f-ed up individuals that kill in secluded areas up high in the mountains. Thats neither the army nor the governments agenda! I hope those people rott in hell, but an army or government shouldn't be judged by psycho individuals.
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06-15-2008, 08:08 AM

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But you dont know who the little girl in the picture is, do you? Perhaps if you did know you may understand something. but you dont know, do you? No, your just an idiot.

Oh, BTW, dont look at my sig for answers...

Have you actually any experience with Krav Maga before, or are you just guessing???
Trust me after you posted that little girls are sexy on another thread i REALLY dont want to know!

and iv been doing krav maga for over a year, now stop talking to me i think your disgusting
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. I would love to try it out and get my ass kicked a few times by a crazed instructor who always tells stories about using a KM elbow to difuse a bomb >_< ! (SUGOI O_O) Jk...

I owuldn't mind doing a closer examination of what the USMC teaches, but I'm afraid I'll have to become a marine to do that... and, well, I don't mind the idea of being a soldier in a war, but I don't want to be a bullet sponge n_n;;; .
LOL

and for the USMC thing im not sure if theres any sort of training for it outside of the Military - but as i live in australia im not entirely sure.. because its an american thing id probably guess they would have some sort way to learn it outside of the military

i know that alot of the moves are pretty dangerous and are intended to kill.. and that they train on a rubber mat or something for some of the throws - they also train with capsicun spray to the eyes ><

YES i saw MCMAP on the ultimate weapon show a few weeks ago but iv been doing krav for about a year and a half and really enjoy it! you should look for an instructor ><
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I never done Krav Maga, but I have watched a lot of it, from demos through to training vids.

In the MA world words like 'realistic' have become a bit sensationalist, and people who use them never really understand the depth of it.

Some interesting points about the style is it is not a sport, and a lot of the people who do it never spar same like kick boxing or Muay Thai or so. In terms of striking it is lacking, badly. The strikes I have ALL seen are ALL weak. They never put power into it because they strike wrong, and would not hold up for shit in an actual ring. Lucky coz it is not a ring sport.

When you get over the words 'realism' you are better off learning MMA. This will teach you realistic street fighting with no fucking around and the trainers have the know how from competeing to know what a powerful strike is and is not.

Eye gouges and stuff arnt that hard, so saying KM is good because of it is dumb. Any fighter knows to strike the throat or eyes when in a street fight if he wants to kill, which most of the time you do not, anyway.

The only real thing it is good for is disarming a gun from someone. Or knife.

But if you are after a powerful style with effective take downs and strikes then go MMA, or a cross of Boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, so on, with Brazilian Jiu Jutsu.

Krav Maga is for Israelites who live in a world where there is 1 gun per every 2 people alive there.

I Find it hilarious that you say that the strikes are weak considering its a self defence for soldiers who put there lives on the line when they use it

Krav maga would not hold up in a ring.... LOL probably because they dont let they use it to compete in any form? hmm i wonder why

you obviously have no idea at all about krav maga "When you get over the words 'realism' you are better off learning MMA. This will teach you realistic street fighting with no fucking around" yeh sweet lets grapple 1 guy with a knife to the ground while his friends kick the shit out of me.... awesome.....

your a dolt
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06-15-2008, 08:24 AM

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LOL

and for the USMC thing im not sure if theres any sort of training for it outside of the Military - but as i live in australia im not entirely sure.. because its an american thing id probably guess they would have some sort way to learn it outside of the military

i know that alot of the moves are pretty dangerous and are intended to kill.. and that they train on a rubber mat or something for some of the throws - they also train with capsicun spray to the eyes ><

YES i saw MCMAP on the ultimate weapon show a few weeks ago but iv been doing krav for about a year and a half and really enjoy it! you should look for an instructor ><
All this krav magra and USMC stuff is about punching people in the neck and storming someone before they can react. There's nothing flowery because it's utilitarian. MMA is not really realisic. And most people a Krav Magra or USMC person is comming up against is not some kung fu f-ing master. They're barely literate guerilas who need an ass whooping. The military dudes aren't going to take a stand, bow, and attempt a flying roundhouse to the head like an idiot.

Storm him, overwhelm him, punch him in the neck and kick him in the balls. If he fights back put out his eyes or windpipe.
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06-15-2008, 08:38 AM

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That is the problem. I can take a man down with any of my 8 weapons in 1 strike in a perfect strike.

Being, an unstopped:

Knee to the center of chest.

Punch/elbow to the jaw.

Kick to the torso.

Seriously, if you knew anything about weight and power distribution (which Karate and Aikido is not big on, sorry) then you could make the comparisons between KM and MT or MMA and know that it is NOT the most quick way to take down someone.

The style is shit... seriously. It is not practiced at a full time mastery role like other styles and there for has not developed to become a powerful style. It is a self defence module for Israeli soldiers who practice it 1 time a week for half an hour in PT training... it sux.
yeh it sux thats why S.W.A.T use it

by saying you would knee a soldier sufficient in KM is also hilarious... do you not understand that they are trained to keep you at distance till they are ready to stab you in the face? id like to see you try and knee sum1 in the chest after they jab you in the eyes and break your nose with there foot while your on the ground
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06-15-2008, 08:50 AM

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Someone should tell this little runt what my x occupation was and what my current occupation is before I go back home and put his head back in the toilet where it belongs...
I'll do the honours shall I? lol... haha... Tenchu is a dangerous killing machine that was in the Australian army and now is training full time in Muay Thai...
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06-15-2008, 08:58 AM

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I'll do the honours shall I? lol... haha... Tenchu is a dangerous killing machine that was in the Australian army and now is training full time in Muay Thai...
"Fuck you and fuck your country." - Tenchu

i find it hard to believe he was in the Australian army if he hates Australia so much... the only reason i could think of why he would hate australia if he actually did serve in Aus was if they deported him for paedophelia.. but what can i say Australians dont like Paedophiles
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06-15-2008, 09:52 AM

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"Fuck you and fuck your country." - Tenchu

i find it hard to believe he was in the Australian army if he hates Australia so much... the only reason i could think of why he would hate australia if he actually did serve in Aus was if they deported him for paedophelia.. but what can i say Australians dont like Paedophiles
Actually... that's what happened. From what I understand, the other party wasn't a "child", though. I don't right remember, but I believe it was more a case of statutory rape (what we call it in the states) than a case of an adult taking advantage of a pre-adolescent. Tenchu'd have to explain, 'cause I don't quite remember.

Anyway, about KM... I have to disagree with you again, Tenchu. You say that a MT kick to the chest would be sufficient to quickly end a fight, and I normally would agree. The difference is all the shit that a soldier wears. Some bullet-resistant vests still use ceramic plates behind the kevlar, which would take away a lot of the energy going to the chest. It would still hurt like a bitch, but I don't think it would end the fight.

And yes, I have seen people break ceramic tiles before. AFTER significant preparation and meditation and actually knowing the ceramic is there.

KM is about ending a fight fast so that you can face the next opponent. They train under the assumption that there is never going to be an end to the opponents you have to fight, so the goal behind the movements is efficiency. They don't do any flowery stuff that you see in some forms of Kung Fu because it's a waste of time and energy. They just do one quick strike to the throat and turn around to face the next guy.

KM is not an ineffective art. I don't know who you were watching that you have the impression that they teach people the wrong way to throw a punch, but they obviously didn't know what they were doing. I would be more afraid to face someone who'd trained in KM than someone who'd trained in American Kenpo, which looks and behaves very similarly.

Lol, KM is sort of the Tendo School of Anything Goes Martial Arts. Anything goes. Pulling hair, throwing sand, biting, etc. If it's possible to do, they train to do it.

The Isrealis may not follow bushido, but they sure know how to kick ass :3 .


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