which is best martial art

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I have only ever met marines. ... I am not talking about marines, anyway.

.... Huh? Wait, so all this time we've been talking about the USMC, you weren't talking about the USMC????

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Yes, the reason is; USMC has the biggest arsenal of fire power of any Infantry unit in the world. They excel in urban operations so well because when ever they get into trouble they withdraw and let gunships or atilery 'remove' the 'objective'. They are much less effective in more strategical open enviroment operations...

Hrm, that contradicts what every Marine I've ever talked to has told me--and I've known a good share. The general consensus has been that the Corps is usually the most reluctant to pull out. As one recruiter told me a long time ago, "The Army will go into one engagement with three ways out; the Corps will go into three engagements with one way out." A friend and family member of mine who is a Colonel in the Marine Corps as much as told me that Marines don't withdraw until they absolutely have to. Real evidence of this is Hanoi, Vietnam, when Marines (iirc) were the last American troops to leave.

Of course, anyone who has gunship support and are able to use it is going to--that saves the lives your people while depleting the enemy. However, using indirect fire support on a city is a general policy; exceptions being cases where the whole idea is to level the city as was arguably the case in Fallujah.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

But I WAS a soldier. And all the other guys were idiots. They have an advantage over normal civis, but not over proper fighters.

Did you ever ask your granpa how many hours each recruit spent learning hand to hand combat during the course? It was prob about 10 or 15 hours over a 6 week course. Compare that to a fighter who trains that + in one week.

Seriously, Amnell, smash your head on the key board for me. Think about it. You learn aggression and speed in kick boxing, too, not just in the Army. I would place my money on the guy who has spent the most hours training. That is like, 40 or 50 hours learning KM or Marine Fu versus thousands of hours of a boxer.

I think you missed my point.

I never asked him, personally. And that could well be the case. It doesn't change that fact that my mother was beating up on guys twice her size when she was a teenager because of what and how my grand-dad taught her and her siblings. From what she's told me, they never did any kind of regular lessons for long periods of time--he would just pull them aside, show them something, and tell them to go practice it on their time.

I never said anything about speed or agression. I was talking about training for variables. A boxer trains under the assumption that there will be no variables in a fight: his opponent won't suddenly pull a knife, he won't step on a rock and fall over, he won't have a second opponent appear out of nowhere, etc. A soldier, regardless of nation or branch, does train for that. Hell, *I* train for that at my school! Not that I would say I could beat up a professional boxer at this point, but I definitely have more faith in my training than in his!

[Alkindus]

Koen Ken........................................................or Tiger Shallow Fist or whatever u wanna call it.......Master that style and no one can fuck with u lol.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Not directly. I am talking about military hand to hand combat, but I dont want to single out marines.

Well, modern day marines is the subject here, nothing else.

I know as a fact marines are training heavily in urban now, and almost nothing in field. This is because their enemies like in Iraq are urban fighters. The SF takes care of the idiots in Afghanistan stupid enough to engage the US in an open area, and what they cant be fucked doing they just level an entire mountain with buster bombs.

How many engagements do you think marines have had in the open field in Iraq? Compare that to their urban engagements.

When I trained with them in shaol water bay ex 2007 they were teaching us heaps of urban skills, they kicked ass at it because they do it all the time. Where as Australia does more field, and when it came to that they could not even keep up with us in a pack march, and we were teaching them everything about field.

This is an "in theory" thing. Where as it might work in numbers and stats, but if you sum up individuals then I think you would be wrong. I never did any training like you say when I was in the Infantry. It was the commanders job to take advantage of variables, but that was not people falling on stones, it was bigger ones, like a delay in the enemies supply trucks or something. It would come into it more in an urban warfare enviroment, but that is still all shooting, not fist fighting.

Someone who is martially minded and has common sense is going to be able to improvise his surroundings and deal with a changing situation. The people good at this will be found both inside and outside the Army, and both places have people who are completely unadaptable.

Personally, I would say a lot of guys in the Army I new were not near half as pussy as some of the guys I met at my Muay Thai gym, and that is an advantage. But there are also several guys who are not pussy fags at my gym, and then that, on top with their Muay Thai training, would make them a hell of a resourcefull street fighter.

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[Amnell]

Okay, that last long post actually made sense.

My point the whole time was the difference that training makes, though. As a better example than the one that spawned this whole argument, I would sooner put money on a professional MMA fighter than on a professional boxer. Again, the MMA guy has been trained for a wider array of situations and will likely adapt faster to changing circumstances.

There's also the matter of how hard the individual trains. A pansy MMA fighter who only does it for something to do is NOT going to beat out a hard-ass boxer who's been training passionately for "that one moment" his entire life.

[Amnell]

My. Isn't that lovely?

You are aware that there are over-sensitive people here who will lose their heads over this, and normal people who will tell you to take that shit (no pun intended) somewhere else, after flaming you?

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

What did I miss?

I think he was responding to the spammer that posted [now deleted] porn on this thread.

It's said that people say/do things over the internet that they probably wouldn't do in real life.
I think aggravating people who are capable of sweeping the floor with you is a good example of exactly this.

[Housetek]

REX KWON DO



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[Sutiiven]

To Me i would say kung fu and then Aikido and taekwondo and Then regular karate.

The last and not least Jujitsu . Which was what the samurai used against each other for quick kills during the waring era in japan

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

... And you never said that in the first place, why?

Well, I did, but I guess it didn't quite come through.

In any case, we seem to agree on this one, so that's progress XD .

Originally Posted by Tenchu

What did I miss?

Very sick illustrated image containing lots of nudity and shite posted by a troll/spammer. Trust me, you're better off having missed it @_@;

[Sutiiven]

Well the kung fu for teaches you to wait and sharpens the mind and takes dedication to master.

good for the mind and keeps ya in shape and also helps with focus and it can be keep me busy so i do not go out and do something dumb

Plus the movements are quite graceful and teaches disiplen and so on
But i would not use it for show boating plus use it to earn money as well .


not for hurting people and get knowledge from it.

Thats why and i am not tryin to sound stupid. but loyalty can be a good thing i suppose . Thats the way i see it