Graduate from college if you want to live in Japan.

[odonata]

Originally Posted by godwine

But look at the amount of experience you have though? A lot of us from the same era in the IT field may NOT have the education because a computer based education wasn't a common thing back then. You said it yourself, you were able to talk in language that half these people don't understand here (BTW, I used to program memory controllers and cpu registers, so close enough), look at the skills you bring to the table.

WE ALL said that its possible if you possess the skill, no one said that its not possible. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE THE SKILL.

What MMM and others are suggesting to these kids is that if they really want to find a job anywhere, its best to have a degree, and in Japan its definitely THE ultimate advertising point.

People will not just sponsor someone to stay for no reason, there has to be a mutual benefit, while a university degree doesn't equal to knowledge, skills or ability, its a good implication of it, and definitely something that employer can base their evaluation on.

True, so true.
I left school early to program computers for the game industry as it was a passion that i developed on my own and also encouraged a small group of friends to get computers. we ended up having coding battles and getting noticed by a games developer.
I agree that for many young ppl now to be a self made boffin is bad kudos and when they realise thier mistake it is much harder and often too late to repair the loss.
I was bought up with the gift of being inquisative (sp) and always afford myself the most enjoyable opportunity so I guess that the education system was not required in my case. I was the kid at school with the scientific calculator not because it was cool but because it converted dec/hex/bin and would smack any other kid in the chin if they badmouthed my calc habits.

2day kidz us txt 2 tlk wd etchthr n it sux 4 dem as dey r jus kilin der own brn wiv lzynes n nvr thnk bout dah rel wrld.

yeah! well reap the wind you sow.

txt this kiddz

32 64 61 79 20 6b 69 64 7a 20 75 73 20 74 78 74 20 32 20 74 6c 6b 20 77 64 20 65 74 63 68 74 68 72 20 6e 20 69 74 20 73 75 78 20 34 20 64 65 6d 20 61 73 20 64 65 79 20 72 20 6a 75 73 20 6b 69 6c 69 6e 20 64 65 72 20 6f 77 6e 20 62 72 6e 20 77 69 76 20 6c 7a 79 6e 65 73 20 6e 20 6e 76 72 20 74 68 6e 6b 20 62 6f 75 74 20 64 61 68 20 72 65 6c 20 77 72 6c 64 2e

[Kai13]

Originally Posted by godwine

You can marry a Japanese Man

BUT, while researching on this topic earlier to look for the type of jobs that require a degree (to support our view), I found a few posting for a "Language Researcher". So if you are majoring in the 2 asian language, your education and skill may land you something in the same or similar areas.

Is it really necessary to marry to stay there for good? :s
I never fell in love with anyone, I'm kind of reserved, but then again, I still have have plenty of time

Thanks!

[godwine]

I think so, you do have to marry Japanese. But I could be wrong, you best check with MMM and others who know more concerning that, but given that they don't accept immigration, i think thats your only alternative

odonataYour hex is still spelled in that retarded MSN/SMS spelling/grammar:P You should use the full proper spelling :P

546f6461792c206b69647320757365205445585420746f2074616c6b2077697468206561636 8206f746865722c20616e64206974207375636b7320666f72207468656d2c20617320746865 7920617265206a757374206b696c6c696e67207468656972206f776e20627261696e2077697 468206c617a696e65737320616e64206e65766572207468696e6b2061626f75742074686520 7265616c20776f726c642e

[Akakage]

godwine, I will PM you if anything comes my way.

I must say this, that the IT industry is a bit more forgiving when it comes to not having a degree. From what I've seen throughout my years is that experience is king in the IT field. I think this is because many positions need someone to hit the ground running. They don't want to waste the time or money to train someone even if they do have a degree.

I really relate to odonata's situation. I was into computers very early on in life because of my father. From building them from scratch to programming. At 16 I was working as a web designer for a company. Because of the experience I gathered I haven't had any issues with finding a job while competing with degree holders. (I wasn't a complete nerd I did play football in school ) Along the way I still had to study for certifications. In life you never stop learning.

But most people don't have that situation which is why it's best to get some sort of schooling. Yeah, you could go to japan without a degree but you need 10 years experience in a field. 10 years is a long time to wait. It would make a lot more sense to go to school for 4 years, study Japanese while you're there and then hop over.

You may not believe it now but school is WAAAAY more fun then work.

[odonata]

Originally Posted by godwine

I think so, you do have to marry Japanese. But I could be wrong, you best check with MMM and others who know more concerning that, but given that they don't accept immigration, i think thats your only alternative

odonataYour hex is still spelled in that retarded MSN/SMS spelling/grammar:P You should use the full proper spelling :P

546f6461792c206b69647320757365205445585420746f2074616c6b2077697468206561636 8206f746865722c20616e64206974207375636b7320666f72207468656d2c20617320746865 7920617265206a757374206b696c6c696e67207468656972206f776e20627261696e2077697 468206c617a696e65737320616e64206e65766572207468696e6b2061626f75742074686520 7265616c20776f726c642e

I an an 8 bit looser, sorry I sux at hex.

010010010010000001110011011010000110111101110101011011000110010000100000011 010100111010101110011011101000010000001110011011101000110100101100011011010 110010000001110100011011110010000001100010011010010110111001100001011100100 111100100100000010010010010000001110011011101010110001101101011001000000111 001101101111001000000110001001100001011001000010111000100000010000100110000 101110011011001010010000000110010001000000110100101110011001000000110011101 101111011011110110010000100000011001100110111101110010001000000100001101000 011010011100100000100100000011101000110100001101111011101010110011101101000 001000000011101100101001

[godwine]

Originally Posted by Akakage

godwine, I will PM you if anything comes my way.

I must say this, that the IT industry is a bit more forgiving when it comes to not having a degree. From what I've seen throughout my years is that experience is king in the IT field. I think this is because many positions need someone to hit the ground running. They don't want to waste the time or money to train someone even if they do have a degree.

I really relate to odonata's situation. I was into computers very early on in life because of my father. From building them from scratch to programming. At 16 I was working as a web designer for a company. Because of the experience I gathered I haven't had any issues with finding a job while competing with degree holders. (I wasn't a complete nerd I did play football in school ) Along the way I still had to study for certifications. In life you never stop learning.

But most people don't have that situation which is why it's best to get some sort of schooling. Yeah, you could go to japan without a degree but you need 10 years experience in a field. 10 years is a long time to wait. It would make a lot more sense to go to school for 4 years, study Japanese while you're there and then hop over.

You may not believe it now but school is WAAAAY more fun then work.

Thanks, that will help

I agree, we need to keep our knowledge enriched. Life has no challenge if you feel and know that you will do what you now know for the next 20 years, you need to to do something to stimulate your brain.

But its true, the IT field is more fogiving, but give it 10 years, the industry will be overwhelmed with people that qualifies both in academic and experieince, education will become a requirement. That is slowly happening. When I first started, QA and certain developer roles don't need a degree. But now we are looking for people with a Bachelor to do QA and a Master to do development work. Its just a claim that can be backup with the degree to say "I can do it"...

[godwine]

Originally Posted by odonata

I an an 8 bit looser, sorry I sux at hex.

010010010010000001110011011010000110111101110101011011000110010000100000011 010100111010101110011011101000010000001110011011101000110100101100011011010 110010000001110100011011110010000001100010011010010110111001100001011100100 111100100100000010010010010000001110011011101010110001101101011001000000111 001101101111001000000110001001100001011001000010111000100000010000100110000 101110011011001010010000000110010001000000110100101110011001000000110011101 101111011011110110010000100000011001100110111101110010001000000100001101000 011010011100100000100100000011101000110100001101111011101010110011101101000 001000000011101100101001

Ha ha, I don't know what CCNA is, but if you can do binary, its an easy conversion to HEX, so you are in good shape.

Alright, enough of this BIN/HEX thing. Lets just stay on topic....

[Akakage]

I can't imagine what technology we'll have in 10 years and the education needed to take advantage of it. Robots anyone?

Kai13, you don't need to marry someone to stay in japan permanently. Here the qualifications for a single person:

The Minister of Justice may grant permanent residence permission provided that an applicant satisfies requirements of "good conduct" and "sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living". However, foreign nationals having a spouse visa are exempt from these above mentioned requirements. Furthermore, the Minister of Justice must deem that the applicant's permanent residence will be in accordance with the interests of Japan.

In practice, the applicant is required to have lived continuously in Japan for a particular period depending on his situation. For example, the periods are ten years for a person having a working visa, five years after obtaining a long term resident visa, and three years after getting married to a Japanese for a person having a spouse visa. The above mentioned "ten years", however, is not sufficient for some cases. For example, a person who started as a pre-college student or college student in Japan and changed from a student visa to a working visa must have resided in Japan more than five years since his or her working visa was granted. Furthermore, the period of stay of your visa should be the longest in your visa category.

Keep learning those languages, especially Chinese! It's going to be a big one in the future. I'm currently learning Chinese and Japanese right now. It's tough but it will be worth it in the long run. Keep up the good work!

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Akakage

You may not believe it now but school is WAAAAY more fun then work.

So so true...and even more true for those that don't get any higher education.

[Gorotsuki]

Odonata what exactly do you do with computers. I am not sure what area I want to work in yet but I know I want to work with computers.