I've got news for everyone!!!!!!

[killyoself]

Originally Posted by JoshAussie

hey hey Nyo.. dont be knockin the maid cafes.. lol

But seriously, I think this was all Killyoself was getting at, -

"It may be true that a decently intelligent person with life experience and skills could find themselves a company willing to sponsor if they`re lucky"

Well, im not sure lucky is the right word. Granted there's definately "Luck" but theres definately other aspects involved. Its not impossible for anybody. it can happen and it could happen for anybody.

Yeah iv never been to Japan, so you could just ignore this post completely. Tho i think what youv said doesnt just apply to Japan id say its almost universal there's always more than 1 way to go about things.

My first boss told me "It's not what you know, it's who you know." and iv never forget it i definately think its got more than a little bit of truth to it.

It's just like rules you follow when going to interviews, be well presented, spoken etc, The impression you make can do alot more for you than the actual skills you have.

theres my thoughts anyway, tho i could write alot more as its a pretty broad subject. but for now i think that will do.

Hallelujah!!! Thanks JoshAussie

[MMM]

Originally Posted by killyoself

Is this related to anything? Dude, give it up.

I didn't leave my country because I was depressed, or lonely, or a total loser. I left because there were no opportunities to be had back home and I had to move to a bigger city.

You are taking a piece of my quote out of context. I was just explaining why people with experience here don't encourage people who have the "I want to escape to Japan" attitude why we don't tell them to get on a plane and land in Japan and expect to be able to find a job with no Japanese skills and no Japanese.
That way of thinking I will not give up.

Originally Posted by killyoself

間違えないMMM was talking about me. This dude is on some 3rd grade vendetta tip.

Yeah, I take your point Nyoroin about the 16 year old kids. But the reason I made this post is because there are lots of people on this forum blatantly saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE to come here, live and work if you don't marry or graduate from college.

That simply ISN'T true, and i'm confident that if I had come here when I was 18 or 19 I could have landed a sponsor.

Actually, Nyororin was right. I wasn't talking about you, Killyoself, but "you" the person trying to escape to Japan. No vendetta here.

I don't think anyone has said it is IMPOSSIBLE (all caps) to live in work and Japan without a degree. The reason the sticky exists, if you would like a little history, is because for a while we were getting daily threads that went like this.

"I want to go to Japan."

"Get a degree."

"Well, I can't go to college, I just want to go to Japan and live there."

That sticky became the default response. Japan is not a spa or a resort town. Surely there are those that can do without, but it seems to me the easiest way to get in Japan is to get a degree, get a sponsor, and go. You are saying the opposite. I was always under the understanding switching visas in Japan (besides spousal) was a big headache.

[killyoself]

Originally Posted by kirakira

６ヶ月前その人が仕事見つかったから、なんの計画も立 てずに日本に足を踏み入れるのはいい考えだと思うのか ？

Yup, I think it was a great idea!!!! He's here, he's working & making money, he's loving it. What's your problem with that?

Originally Posted by kirakira

おたくはいま日本の経済状況を知ってるはず。

Na, do YOU have any idea what the economy is like OUTSIDE of Japan? If you do then you're argument is totally flawed!?

Originally Posted by kirakira

問題なのは、その人、仕事がみつかったかどうかじゃな くて、何の準備もせずに単に日本に行くだけで仕事が必 ずみつかる主張なんです。このスレを読むみんなに偽り の希望を抱かせるのをやめろって言いたいです。わかっ たかね。

No, this is the thing. I'm actually providing real life FACT here. And it's not false hope, it's reality! If you have a dream to come to Japan (like my friend Niall) it's technically possible to do it, even if you don't have a degree!!!!!! 1000s do it. That's a fact! わかったかね。

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by killyoself

Yup, I think it was a great idea!!!! He's here, he's working & making money, he's loving it. What's your problem with that?

日本語で私の疑問に答えるのを期待してたけどがっかり 。

I wonder if you actually knew what I wrote. So you are saying its great to go to Japan with NO PLAN whatsoever, to just rock up and say "GIVE ME A JOB". Seriously, what the hell are you smoking. Surely this can't be sound advice.

Everyday, I turn on the TV and the only thing they talk about is 雇用の受け皿.

Originally Posted by killyoself

Na, do YOU have any idea what the economy is like OUTSIDE of Japan? If you do then you're argument is totally flawed!?

Well I clearly know more than you, since Japan's annualised decline was last published to be -12.1%, that's double digit negative growth, worse than most if not all OECD countries.

Originally Posted by killyoself

No, this is the thing. I'm actually providing real life FACT here. And it's not false hope, it's reality! If you have a dream to come to Japan (like my friend Niall) you can do it!!!!!! Even if you don't have a degree. That's a fact! わかったかね。

Well good for him but don't make it sound like it's a walk in the park. Just having a dream won't do you any good, you need a plan. Can we at least agree on this?

Oh I also know a person with no degree that went and worked for Square Enix as an artist but that guy had talent. I just think this is the exception rather than the rule.

Oh the other question is, would you earn more in your native country.

[killyoself]

Originally Posted by MMM

You are taking a piece of my quote out of context.

Haha, dude, don't talk to me about taking things out of context. You're the one that deleted my first thread and then kinda twisted my words to make me sound like a looser, so please. That being said, let's just forget about all that and try to get on together like adults. I'm sorry for joining the board when I was in a bad mood, that was an error of judgement on my part. But i'm down for putting all that behind us if you are

Originally Posted by MMM

I don't think anyone has said it is IMPOSSIBLE (all caps) to live in work and Japan without a degree. The reason the sticky exists, if you would like a little history, is because for a while we were getting daily threads that went like this.

"I want to go to Japan."

"Get a degree."

"Well, I can't go to college, I just want to go to Japan and live there."

That sticky became the default response. Japan is not a spa or a resort town. Surely there are those that can do without, but it seems to me the easiest way to get in Japan is to get a degree, get a sponsor, and go. You are saying the opposite. I was always under the understanding switching visas in Japan (besides spousal) was a big headache.

Ok, thanks for the history. It makes more sense now. However, i'm pretty sure I have read that you 'can't' go unless you have a college degree, in several posts. I wanted to point out that is wrong. And in my personal opinion, sometimes you have to be spontaneous and just do it, rather than sitting on your butt wishing you could go somewhere.

I'm not saying the opposite, I think it's obviously better to come here with a degree. But I don't think it's necessary to come here with any Japanese experience, as I believe you can pick it up 100x faster, and more naturally, if you learn here, in Japan.

[killyoself]

I need to stop using, so many, damn commas

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by killyoself

And in my personal opinion, sometimes you have to be spontaneous and just do it, rather than sitting on your butt wishing you could go somewhere.

I don't think it's necessary to come here with any Japanese experience, as I believe you can pick it up 100x faster, and more naturally, if you learn here, in Japan.

Come to Japan with no Japanese? I was in Korea and I don't know a single hint of Hangul and I suffocated because I could not read a single damn thing, nor communicate with anybody (and nobody spoke English... well a lot of people spoke Japanese but whatever, you get the point). I can't imagine Japan being anything but living hell if you come here, wanting to live but have no language skills.

And to the Japanese, a person who doesn't speak Japanese is as annoying as those Mexicans that cross the US border everyday that doesn't speak a hint of English. If you can't communicate, you are finished.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by killyoself

Haha, dude, don't talk to me about taking things out of context. You're the one that deleted my first thread and then kinda twisted my words to make me sound like a looser, so please. That being said, let's just forget about all that and try to get on together like adults. I'm sorry for joining the board when I was in a bad mood, that was an error of judgement on my part. But i'm down for putting all that behind us if you are



Ok, thanks for the history. It makes more sense now. However, i'm pretty sure I have read that you 'can't' go unless you have a college degree, in several posts. I wanted to point out that is wrong. And in my personal opinion, sometimes you have to be spontaneous and just do it, rather than sitting on your butt wishing you could go somewhere.

I'm not saying the opposite, I think it's obviously better to come here with a degree. But I don't think it's necessary to come here with any Japanese experience, as I believe you can pick it up 100x faster, and more naturally, if you learn here, in Japan.

I have already forgotten about your first post.

I would never argue that living in Japan is not the best way to learn Japanese. Spontaneity is great for those that can afford it. "Just do it" is great in commercials, but I agree with kirakira. I would never encourage someone to come here without a plan.

You are saying the opposite. My advice: 1) Get degree 2) Get sponsor 3) Get visa 4) Go to Japan. You are saying 1) Go to Japan 2) Get sponsor 3) Change visa (or at least that is possible, and that many people do it).

If you don't have a degree, then you need something else: JLPT 1 is one thing. Five or ten years experience in a specialized field is another. A particular talent, like french chef or baker would probably be enough. However, in general, these are not things that teenagers or early 20-somethings have. You said your friend is teaching at a business school, and doesn't have a college degree. I assume he has some level of business experience or else I wonder what he could be teaching.

[killyoself]

Originally Posted by kirakira

I wonder if you actually knew what I wrote.

Alright, first things first. Don't patronize me doggy.

Originally Posted by kirakira

６ヶ月前その人が仕事見つかったから、なんの計画も立 てずに日本に足を踏み入れるのはいい考えだと思うのか ？

Am I right in thinking that you asked me if 「その人」 (referring to my friend), 「なんの計画も立てずに日本に足を踏み入れるのはいい 考えだと思うのか？」 (was a good idea for him to come to Japan without a plan)
To which I replied "Yeah, I think it was a great idea cos he's killin it now in Tokyo" I DID NOT say that it was a great idea for EVERYONE to rock up to Japan without a visa. As I said though, neither me nor any of my friends came here with any plan. and we're all doing splendidly. Sometimes you got to just ride the wave brah.

Originally Posted by kirakira

Oh the other question is, would you earn more in your native country.

Erm, I dunno. Probably, but I wouldn't have nearly as much free time, and that means a lot more to me just now than money. I doubt I could find a company that paid me 6 months paid vacation a year back home.

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by killyoself

Erm, I dunno. Probably, but I wouldn't have nearly as much free time, and that means a lot more to me just now than money. I doubt I could find a company that paid me 6 months paid vacation a year back home.

Well there you go, you just admitted there are trade offs. That's what everyone on this forum advocates. It's these things that needs to be given thought to before you buy your ticket to Japan expecting Sailor Moon to pick you up from the airport and subtitles to appear whenever anybody speaks Japanese.

That's what's everyone is talking about including MMM.