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You're right though, there has been a lot of progress. 
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06-17-2009, 06:33 AM
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But thanks for being nice about it. =)
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06-17-2009, 06:47 AM
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My advice is to just go with the flow. Not like things are going to change anytime soon. As for the basic question, there are many times when the genders are distinguished from each other. You got your public baths, schools, and elementary and junior high schools typically seat students boy girl boy girl even down to graduation ceremonies where the students walk down the aisle boy girl to get their diplomas. My community has some kind of mandatory community service jobs that every home owner must do, and the jobs are either for men, or for women. Women are generally assigned cleaning and cooking jobs, while men are required to do the jobs like volunteer fire fighters or helping the local shrine when there is some festival, which are basically reasons to get drunk (none of us would know what to do if we were asked to put a fire out). I dont know what to say about this androgynous stuff. Just... well, you might want to just stay away from anything that makes you uncomfortable like onsens and single gender schools. As I said, things arent going to change in our lifetimes.
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06-17-2009, 08:15 AM
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Ugh, No just NO. Where did you get the idea that being separated from the opposite means you have to be submissive? By that logic you can apply the same to men and say they are being submissive also. I've already addressed the "dresses" part so I would ask you go back and reread that section. I don't see the connection your trying to say here. Equal rights spurred the feminist movement NOT separation. Does the vast majority of people see someone else being non-human? Point is you cannot deny that there is an fundamental difference between the sexes. Last to add, culture is as it is, that groups usual way of thinking. 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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06-17-2009, 08:24 AM
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Anyway, men are naturally dominant. On average, they're bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, more aggressive, more industrious, all that (keep in mind, this is on average); how did you think the world was going to play out? However, nowadays men do not try and belittle or control women like used to be so in most places (aside Islamic countries). They're still going to be fairly dominant in society and relationships, however. That is a natural thing, but. Still, you do still have all the chances men have now in most cases, and gender seperation in social places is no effect to that. Try and tell the Chancellor of Germany, Prime Minister of New Zealand, or women like Hillary Clinton what you say in the above post. I think the effects of gender segregation you're talking about are imagined by those who are trying to cry out about an entirley different subject. Of course, the option still remains, if you dislike the policies of a certain club or event, then do not attend it. No one is forcing this upon you; it is optional to attend such places. The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold…
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06-17-2009, 08:25 AM
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The eternal Saint is calling, through the ages she has told. The ages have not listened; the will of faith has grown old…
For forever she will wander, for forever she withholds; the Demon King is on his way, you’d best not be learned untold…
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06-17-2009, 03:03 PM
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It's always funny how personal stories aren't valued. Personal stories are what spurred the need for movements. I feel like my life is "accredited." If that's not good enough for you, move on. The need to make women submissive to men is what separated men and women. Whenever one group wants to oppress another, suddenly labels and expected qualities come with these labels. It's the same thing with race and sexuality. In fact, before the Victoria age, there was no "homosexual." There was just sex and desire. Then, in order to make one group of people submissive to another, scholars began declaring that people who had sex with the same gender were mentally ill. There was a new group - homosexuals were separated from heterosexuals. Now that they've been separated, people can easily discriminate against them. And yes, equal rights did spur the feminist movements. Because women, who were separated from men and felt emotionally attacked that they could not do the same things as men, decided to do something about it. I'm just making up a quick example, but there are also many fundamental differences between women and pregnant women, right? Yet we still think of them as women. We still have women go into the same bathrooms, still expect them to have the same qualities that come with the labels of "woman." If we suddenly wanted to discriminate against pregnant women, however, we could easily do that. We could call pregnant women by a completely different label that isn't associated with women in general. Maybe we could call them preggers. From there, we could label them and say there are expected qualities for all preggers. They're all supposed to be moody and constantly hungry. But we don't. We also don't need to do it for men and women. Then, we would just be humans with biological differences, as my brown skin is darker than a white person's skin, and there wouldn't be as much discrimination.
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06-17-2009, 03:15 PM
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Also, from your other post, read my response to the other person on this thread. Men are "naturally more dominant" when you think dominant as stronger, faster, etc. Society places more value on those qualities so that men can be more dominant. Those qualities were helpful - in the stone age. Nowadays, it doesn't matter, yet we still think of those qualities as valuable. Society also ever-so-conveniently places more value on the person who goes out and makes money while the person at home, who takes care of the house and children, holds no value... to the point where if there was to be a divorce, the person who went out and made money is the one who will win everything. It's no coincidence that society put women into the role of the ones expected to stay at home. And, I know it's a little off-topic, but it's very interesting to see what happens to same-sex couples. When there are two men, and one man stays at home, he's suddenly the submissive one and feels the discrimination women feel. If we took away those values, took away the expected roles and qualities that fit into different labels, and just took away the labels completely, there wouldn't be discrimination. I'm just curious - where are you from? There are different cultural expectations for women in every country, and I assumed you were from America.
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06-17-2009, 03:59 PM
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The Muslim religion forbids pre-martial sex with the opposite sex, but since homosexuality wasn't mentioned they thought it to be OK. The scholars had nothing to do with labeling people as mentally ill, it was certain religions that did (and still do today) that like people who are gay have a choice.
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