New ID cards for foriegn citizens...

[MMM]

Originally Posted by hippykiller1

I didn't even define 'Orwellian', you're assuming too much. I've been to Japan and had to have my fingerprinted and face scan and was not happy about it.

In the US, only criminals are lumped in with that. Saying "What do you have to hide?" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. Go ahead and go through one of them full body scans their putting in England and other major US cities. The ones were someone is allowed to see your naked body.

The "nothing to hide" argument is only for sheeple.

I have nothing to hide but governments shouldn't treat their citizens or visitors like criminals and slaves. Especially the US government seeing its a direct violation of the 4th Amendment.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

This is why people pissed and moaned about the Patriot Act... This shit in the US is ILLEGAL.

The "nothing to hide" argument is not for sheeple, by swinging your arms and saying "I want to keep my worthless fingerprints secret" what you are doing is allowing criminals to keep that a secret, and for them their fingerprints are VERY valuable.

I'd rather be getting on a plane that is screening out potentially dangerous individuals rather than putting them on blindly because some people didn't want to share their precious fingerprints.

[Hidey0shi]

Just wondering if this card is put into circulation are there any ways to deactivate the IC chip? If I do decided to stay in Japan, I defiantly am not into being tracked 24/7. I am a law abiding citizen and don’t find it justified that we must give up our liberty just in case the police catch a few bad guys.

I have heard that by wrapping the chips in silver foil or using a large magnet on them would make them inoperable. Does anybody know if this is true?

[Hidey0shi]

Originally Posted by MMM

The "nothing to hide" argument is not for sheeple, by swinging your arms and saying "I want to keep my worthless fingerprints secret" what you are doing is allowing criminals to keep that a secret, and for them their fingerprints are VERY valuable.

I'd rather be getting on a plane that is screening out potentially dangerous individuals rather than putting them on blindly because some people didn't want to share their precious fingerprints.

Just to remind you, this system was in place when 9/11 happened and it didn’t stop anything. This is proof in its self that it does not work.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by Hidey0shi

Just wondering if this card is put into circulation are there any ways to deactivate the IC chip? If I do decided to stay in Japan, I defiantly am not into being tracked 24/7. I am a law abiding citizen and don’t find it justified that we must give up our liberty just in case the police catch a few bad guys.

I have heard that by wrapping the chips in silver foil or using a large magnet on them would make them inoperable. Does anybody know if this is true?

If you`re that worried, put it into a RFID blocking case. They sell them all over to protect credit cards from skimming... Or, just put your wallet in your bag or pocket without the card facing outward.

I understand the desire for privacy and not to be tracked, etc - but I think it`s almost funny how misunderstood this and the technology involved is. Close proximity readers are cheap. Distance readers are not. Particularly readers that have to pick up and distinguish between multiple cards that are not powered (as in an ID).

Tracking by RFID simply isn`t worth the money. It would be cheaper to do facial recognition with existing cameras rather than put in expensive distance readers all over the place. Even if they wanted to do it, quite frankly, the Japanese government doesn`t have the money.

In the end, the only thing breaking the chip will do is inconvenience you every time you need to use it as there will be more and more hoops to jump through to prove your identity and that it`s not a forged card. If that`s what you want, power to you I guess.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by Hidey0shi

Just wondering if this card is put into circulation are there any ways to deactivate the IC chip? If I do decided to stay in Japan, I defiantly am not into being tracked 24/7. I am a law abiding citizen and don’t find it justified that we must give up our liberty just in case the police catch a few bad guys.

RFID blocking wallets have been on the market for several years and are even less obvious and easier to use than the boxes Nyororin mentioned.

But if you disable, rather than simply block the signal with an external device, you are no longer "a law abiding citizen".

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Hidey0shi

Just to remind you, this system was in place when 9/11 happened and it didn’t stop anything. This is proof in its self that it does not work.

Therefore, what? We should give up screening for terrorists? Even a bucket with a hole in the side still holds water.

[jesselt]

Originally Posted by Hidey0shi

Just wondering if this card is put into circulation are there any ways to deactivate the IC chip? If I do decided to stay in Japan, I defiantly am not into being tracked 24/7. I am a law abiding citizen and don’t find it justified that we must give up our liberty just in case the police catch a few bad guys.

I have heard that by wrapping the chips in silver foil or using a large magnet on them would make them inoperable. Does anybody know if this is true?

I am a law abiding citizen

...any ways to deactivate the IC chip?

Despite the fact that purposefully deactivating the chip is probably against the law, there is no one sitting at a computer watching your every move anyways. If you really are law abiding then you shouldn't care if you have to carry an identification card or not.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

RFID blocking wallets have been on the market for several years and are even less obvious and easier to use than the boxes Nyororin mentioned.

You`re right - I totally forgot about those. I`m female, so there really aren`t many options in that department for me. All the RFID blocking wallets seem to be made for men.

Originally Posted by jesselt

Despite the fact that purposefully deactivating the chip is probably against the law, there is no one sitting at a computer watching your every move anyways. If you really are law abiding then you shouldn't care if you have to carry an identification card or not.

I am actually for the cards, but I disagree with this. Using the cards for limited identification purposes is one thing - but monitoring is another. There is always the potential for the data to be abused... Even if not deliberately, mistakes can be made. It doesn`t really matter if you are law abiding or not.
The card will make things easier, but I assume I`ll be putting it into an RFID blocking slip like my RFID credit cards.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

You`re right - I totally forgot about those. I`m female, so there really aren`t many options in that department for me. All the RFID blocking wallets seem to be made for men.

I am actually for the cards, but I disagree with this. Using the cards for limited identification purposes is one thing - but monitoring is another. There is always the potential for the data to be abused... Even if not deliberately, mistakes can be made. It doesn`t really matter if you are law abiding or not.
The card will make things easier, but I assume I`ll be putting it into an RFID blocking slip like my RFID credit cards.

I bought mine to block my credit cards, not an ID, but here is where I got mine. They seem to have a fair selection. DIFRwear: RFID Blocking Wallets, Passport Cases, Badge Holders.

[hippykiller1]

terrorism? I laugh.

You're more likely to die of any list of things (heart attack, cancer, car accidents, etc) over terrorism. Here in the states, you're far more likely to be killed by the police than a terrorist.

Stop fooling yourself and living in fear.