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03-05-2010, 02:56 PM

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Thanks for explaining it. I mean, in some ways it makes sense now, but it still seems a bit of a shame to be ripping down perfectly good housing and going through all the procedure of building a-new just to beat the paperwork.
It isn`t really just to beat the paperwork.
Japan has earthquakes - sometimes serious ones. In recent years techniques for strengthening a building have been developed, and there are currently strict earthquake tolerance requirements in place for buildings. However, in the past there were not. (Or those that were in place were much less stringent).
As buildings age they become weaker and more prone to collapse. And the heavier the building started, the greater chance of dying if it falls down on you.

So buildings were usually built with the assumption that they`d be torn down and rebuilt in so many years. Most were built with the assumption of a life of 20 or 30 years. 30 years later, the buildings are in terrible shape and are sort of at the end of their lifespan... Which is why they are torn down and new ones built. This is particularly true of buildings built in the first 30 or 40 years after the end of the war. The first batches were built with a 10 to 15 year lifespan in mind, and then usually replaced with something better but not by all that much.

If something is built to last 100+ years, then it is a shame to tear it down and build something new. But if it was built to last 25 years and 30 have passed... Well... Things are different.


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03-05-2010, 03:54 PM

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It isn`t really just to beat the paperwork.
Japan has earthquakes - sometimes serious ones. In recent years techniques for strengthening a building have been developed, and there are currently strict earthquake tolerance requirements in place for buildings. However, in the past there were not. (Or those that were in place were much less stringent).
As buildings age they become weaker and more prone to collapse. And the heavier the building started, the greater chance of dying if it falls down on you.
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Ah, that's true. I hadn't considered earthquakes into the equation, although I did wonder about the life expectancy. If it's a safety issue then that makes much more sense, and actually, thinking about it, the houses I saw tended to be either very new looking or distinctly pre-war. I guess it's as you say, it seems very odd to me as in the UK the trend tends to be that houses will stay in service for a long time. You don't tend to expect your house to have a shorter life expectancy as your kids. I take it then, most people will move more than once; you couldn't really do what my Gran has done and pass the average family house onto the next generation.
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03-05-2010, 04:14 PM

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I take it then, most people will move more than once; you couldn't really do what my Gran has done and pass the average family house onto the next generation.
Yes, and no. The important part is in the land - it counts for more than the house. Usually people will retain the land, and rebuild a new house on the same spot. So while the house is new, they don`t really "move". Buying a house, selling, then moving to another is quite uncommon. Children moving out of the family home and buying their own land with a new house on top or building a new house on top is quite normal. Which then becomes the family home for their children, one of which will probably grow up to build a new house on the same spot... While the others move out and establish their own homes, etc, ad infinitum.
Once people buy land and house, it`s not common to move.


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03-05-2010, 05:40 PM

I had heard the major construction companies also have influence on government officials. It's nice for them to help create a culture of disposable housing, isn't it.
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I had heard the major construction companies also have influence on government officials. It's nice for them to help create a culture of disposable housing, isn't it.
I don`t know if that is as big a factor in the culture of disposable housing as a lot of people seem to think. People tend to like building their own houses. Even if you remove the lifespan of the house from the equation there are beliefs about spirits of the dead lingering in an old house, bad luck, etc. I don`t really think those are due to construction company influence as they`ve been around for hundreds and hundreds of years.

What the construction companies do is manage to keep the cost of building materials high even for short lifespan construction. They take advantage of the culture of replacing houses, but they didn`t make it.


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I don`t know if that is as big a factor in the culture of disposable housing as a lot of people seem to think. People tend to like building their own houses. Even if you remove the lifespan of the house from the equation there are beliefs about spirits of the dead lingering in an old house, bad luck, etc. I don`t really think those are due to construction company influence as they`ve been around for hundreds and hundreds of years.

What the construction companies do is manage to keep the cost of building materials high even for short lifespan construction. They take advantage of the culture of replacing houses, but they didn`t make it.
I guess I meant not the CULTURE but the ECONOMICS INFLUENCES that inspire people to build new houses and tear down "old" ones.
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03-06-2010, 02:00 AM

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I guess I meant not the CULTURE but the ECONOMICS INFLUENCES that inspire people to build new houses and tear down "old" ones.
Correlation doesn`t always mean causation.
If we follow the thinking that people build new houses largely because it is cheaper (in fees) to do so - then yes, it can look that way.
But if we look at it from another angle - things can seem a bit different.

The culture of rebuilding houses has been in place for a very long time. Regardless of benefits available to build a house, people would likely still be tearing down and rebuilding. They would just take longer to get the money together to do so, and spend a longer period of time in rental housing. More people in the rental housing, and the cost of rent goes up making it even harder for people to buy homes. But making it cheaper to buy land and houses for everyone doesn`t work, as it just makes it easier for someone to buy land and build apartments... Or wait until all the land around is full of apartments and sell it at a higher price. Even now, most used houses are purchased by speculators who do not live on the property and often leave it in limbo until the value of land rises only to resell it once they think they can make money. There are a number of anti-speculation laws in place but it isn`t that hard to get around by "giving" the land to an employee or renting out the space. This was a huge problem at one point, and people who wanted to buy houses honestly couldn`t because it was so expensive just to live in rental housing that there was virtually no hope of saving the money to build a home.

Instead of penalizing speculators or businesses... This is where real buyers are rewarded. Under the current laws, benefits for purchasing or building a new home can only be used once. If you buy a new house or build one, that`s it. You can never take advantage of the benefits again even if you build or buy another new house. This makes it easier for a family to buy a real home, which in turn keeps rental costs lower, which makes it easier for other families to buy homes, and so on (and as a distant result more money comes in as property tax...). It also makes it less likely that employees will "pose" as real buyers as they will lose their benefits for when they really do want to buy a home.

What the construction companies have done is gotten protection for the cost of raw materials - much like Japanese produced rice has protection. This keeps the price of the materials at a certain rate. They take advantage of people building new houses, but the reasons behind the tax benefits, etc, are unrelated in my eyes. The goal is to penalize speculators - but instead of giving them the chance to find loopholes by making it a straight penalty... There is a "reward" of sorts for not being one.

In terms of the benefits for building/buying new - I think it works quite well in the way it is intended. Construction companies taking advantage of the culture kind of sucks, but it`s not the reason laws regarding new building exist.


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a couple of years ago, the PM at that time Fukuda i believe started a campaign 200年住宅ビジョン. partially explained here
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but i don't know what happened to that once fukuda was out of power.


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