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11-08-2010, 03:18 AM

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i think all women shud make men wait till marriage that way men would have to marry women and not just sleep with them and leave them like most of them do.
This is the second time the notion that it is only men who want premarital sex has come up in this thread.

Are there no men who also want to wait until marriage? I can assure you, there are. I knew a rather religious young man in college who got much pressure from his then girlfriend to sleep with him, despite the fact he had promised himself to wait for marriage.

So I think, if this is your moral outlook, gender lines should not be drawn in this topic.

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btw i know this is a japan forum but does anyone know if the views differ in korea (south) and whether there are still arranged marriages in japan?
thanks
Japan is less than 1% Christian. S. Korea is more like 90%+ Christian, so that does make a difference, and yes arranged marriages still happen in Japan, but not at the rate they used to.

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have to commend dogsbody on your principles im defo of the view that sex can wait till after marriage! in england were now starting to get two extremes, those ppl who sleep around alot and those who completely want to put it off till after marriage, and to be honest the later gets more respect. i love it when women have attitudes like that esp when you see models like adriana lima come out and say she was a virgin till she got married (even if she lied) the fact that she said it made it ok to be hot and someone who wants to save themselves for marriage (usually ppl think if u havent done 'it' by a certain age its coz u cant get any) but she proved that wrong and attitudes are starting to change! more power to that way of thinking in my opinion!
I actually can't understand the incredible importance some people attatch to sex. It's something that is fun and very enjoyable. Why wait till you're married? I can understand if you're religious I guess but otherwise what is the point? I have never been someone to just sleep around with anyone and everyone I can but I had numerous sexual partners before I was married. I don't think it made me a better or worse person in anyway whatsoever. Why deny yourself an experience that is a lot of fun? I've certainly never cared one way or the other if a partner of mine was a virgin! My wife certainly wasn't
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11-08-2010, 04:22 AM

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I actually can't understand the incredible importance some people attatch to sex. It's something that is fun and very enjoyable. Why wait till you're married? I can understand if you're religious I guess but otherwise what is the point? I have never been someone to just sleep around with anyone and everyone I can but I had numerous sexual partners before I was married. I don't think it made me a better or worse person in anyway whatsoever. Why deny yourself an experience that is a lot of fun?
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11-09-2010, 08:08 PM

i agree that women also use men for sex but i think the ratio to men doing it is much lower!

secondly it doesnt matter how fun sex is, not goodness always comes out of it! what about all the std's less serious and more serious like aids etc that gets spread because of it?? a big reason that countries like africa have this problem with aids (and im not just making this up i actually watched a programme on it) is that they have alot of unprotected sex and then they contract it, get pregnant and pass it on to their kids who have no blame in it!
not to mention all the abortions and children who are born from such promiscuity to parents who prob dont even remember eachother let alone who can take care of the child! in england the other day in the paper it mentioned a 10 year old getting pregnant! thats the kind of thing u can expect to happen when u have such open views on sexuality in a country IMO
yes you could argue that if u have safe sex its ok, but not all contraceptives work all the time! thats a fact, they arent a guarantee!

either way to each his own, IMO ppl shud wait till they get married, sorry if i offended anyone
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11-09-2010, 08:23 PM

missprincess...jesus lady....

africa has sky-rocketing aids because of christian beliefs. christian missionaries go there to the spread "the good word" about contraception being bad - and yes thats exactly what church says - it's bad for ya!
so. you have 500 million people following this belief since uneducated minds are easy to control + great poverty and simply NOT being able to afford condoms etc.

and you should take it to account that africa still counts as 3rd world rural area and these areas tend to have families with a lot more children since:
1. agriculture, labour takes time and manpower not like in city were one businessmen could feed a country if he wanted to
2. looooots of free time. what in the hell would they do but to have sex? play computer games? go to clubs - well they dont have anything resembling entertainment but their traditions and sex!


so before bash someone of having something nature INTENDED think twice!
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11-09-2010, 08:57 PM

The 'Sex before marriage,yes or no?' debate seems to be raging,so i'll add my two yen here.

My personal belief is that no sex before marriage is not particularly pratical. My belief would be more akin to'No sex untill the relationship is developed' that is to say,jumping in bed with a relative stranger who you've known for three days=bad. Being sexually active with a partner where both people know each other and trust each other is up to the individual preferences. The point being,there really shouldn't be a hard and fast rule where sex is concerned,because it is a personal thing tailored to the individual couple.

Sex is an intimate act,which far too many people these days fail to realise. It is an intimate act that should only happen when both people are ready,and know what they're getting in to(no pun intended)

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11-09-2010, 08:58 PM

firstly I NEVER BASHED ANYONE! if you think casual sex and sex b4 marriage is ok thats totally ur opinion, didnt u read the bit at the bottom where i said sorry if i offended anyone??
yes its true there are alot of christians in africa (but whats that got to do with anything?) the point is casual sex is not necessarily a good thing (since it has been stated b4 that no one shud have a problem with it unless their religous) and that just proves that point, alot of people with alot of times on their hands in rural areas are bound to get up to this kind of thing with numerous partners etc and thats how aids has spread (esp with people coming in and out of cities and to villages and back etc)
im NOT saying if u do it ur bad! im just saying that if you do, it doesnt mean that everything that comes from it is necessarily good!

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missprinces, if you dont know, then dont write.
what the F. was the bs about coming in and out of the cities?

christians in africa has EVERYTHING to do with aids spreading and everything to do with your post stating that because of sex africa is in deep trouble. and answer is no - africa is in trouble because people are being denied access to prophylactics by religion.
all of those diseases can be stopped by a condom. now you have uneducated ppl thinking that they will go to hell if they use a condom (given they can actually find one) but the necessity of having large family is still there for them so they wouldn't starve to death. so they have the dilemma - screw over people preaching but who occasionally bring them supplies or not to procreate and suffer. and they simply go and choose not to use a condom so they would have a "win win" situation. new family member on the way and no hell in sight.

P.S i don't care when and how and with who does the individual wants to have sex - free choice in modern world. but what sets me off is when people bring in arguments - look what sex does to africa without knowing actual reasons of it.
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11-10-2010, 05:25 AM

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i agree that women also use men for sex but i think the ratio to men doing it is much lower!
I am curious what your basis is for this statement. I don't think it is simply an aggressor/victim situation. People who sleep around, sleep around. There isn't always a victim.

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secondly it doesnt matter how fun sex is, not goodness always comes out of it! what about all the std's less serious and more serious like aids etc that gets spread because of it?? a big reason that countries like africa have this problem with aids (and im not just making this up i actually watched a programme on it) is that they have alot of unprotected sex and then they contract it, get pregnant and pass it on to their kids who have no blame in it!
not to mention all the abortions and children who are born from such promiscuity to parents who prob dont even remember eachother let alone who can take care of the child! in england the other day in the paper it mentioned a 10 year old getting pregnant! thats the kind of thing u can expect to happen when u have such open views on sexuality in a country IMO
yes you could argue that if u have safe sex its ok, but not all contraceptives work all the time! thats a fact, they arent a guarantee!

either way to each his own, IMO ppl shud wait till they get married, sorry if i offended anyone
You're moral stance is clear, and I wasn't arguing against it. Go with what you believe in.

However, this will not become a religious discussion. They always end with bad blood and no resolution. Let's stay on the topic of Japanese views on dating, and not Christianity in Africa.

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i agree that women also use men for sex but i think the ratio to men doing it is much lower!

secondly it doesnt matter how fun sex is, not goodness always comes out of it! what about all the std's less serious and more serious like aids etc that gets spread because of it?? a big reason that countries like africa have this problem with aids (and im not just making this up i actually watched a programme on it) is that they have alot of unprotected sex and then they contract it, get pregnant and pass it on to their kids who have no blame in it!
not to mention all the abortions and children who are born from such promiscuity to parents who prob dont even remember eachother let alone who can take care of the child! in england the other day in the paper it mentioned a 10 year old getting pregnant! thats the kind of thing u can expect to happen when u have such open views on sexuality in a country IMO
yes you could argue that if u have safe sex its ok, but not all contraceptives work all the time! thats a fact, they arent a guarantee!

either way to each his own, IMO ppl shud wait till they get married, sorry if i offended anyone
Bloody hell where on earth do you live? Have you never heard of condoms?? All the things you talk about above are not an issue if you use them. For the incredibly small percentage of times that things might go wrong with a condom it's hardly woth worrying about. You're probably more likely statistically to get run over by a car or hit by lightning. Christ almighty, live a little!

As I said earlier unless you have some religious issues with sex before marriage then I can't see any valid reason whatsoever not to enjoy yourself. You may argue something on moral grounds but such arguments in this day and age are ridiculous. There's nothing imoral with having sex before marriage unless you're one of those religious types. I can tell you one thing, I've never met a guy who is concerned one little bit whether or not a girl is a virgin. There's nothing that attractive about it.
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