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12-20-2010, 02:32 AM

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And equally, my parents both worked and my childhood was awesome.
Anecdotal stories are not without value, but let's keep it big picture.

Would we not all agree that for the most part two parents are better for a child than one parent?
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12-20-2010, 02:56 AM

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Anecdotal stories are not without value, but let's keep it big picture.

Would we not all agree that for the most part two parents are better for a child than one parent?
Yeah sure, bro. But as this is an open discussion I think it weird to say "anecdotal stories are not without value" I care about y'all's opinions and viewpoints 'n' stuff. Life stories are worth discussing
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Yeah sure, bro. But as this is an open discussion I think it weird to say "anecdotal stories are not without value" I care about y'all's opinions and viewpoints 'n' stuff. Life stories are worth discussing
I said "not without". That means they have value. However I am sure I can find a case of a boy raised by wolves that grew up to cure a deadly disease. That doesn't mean his story isn't exceptional in every sense of the word.
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My wife and I both work and have had our little girl in child care since she was 6 months old. My wife just isn't the housewife type. The first six months nearly sent her crazy being at home all the time. The child care place is awesome and she loves it and frankly I think it's better for her to have the social interaction from a young age and the opportunity to learn Japanese. She knows a lot more Japanese now than english and we often speak to her in Japanese at home since she responds better to it. We also have cleaners come in once or twice a week as neither of us can be much bothered with cleaning after coming home from work. It's not that my wife and I are really that big career types, we would never have come to live at a ski resort in Japan if we were career and money types (we both made a lot more in Australia) it's just life with 2 wages is a hell of lot better and easier than if one of us stayed home the whole time.
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12-20-2010, 08:09 AM

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Anecdotal stories are not without value, but let's keep it big picture.

Would we not all agree that for the most part two parents are better for a child than one parent?
I was making that point - you can find bad examples and good examples of either.
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I was making that point - you can find bad examples and good examples of either.
I agree with your general attitude, Miss Misa, that since career is a priority over parenthood, at this point you are choosing career.

I think all people who feel this way should take the same path.

At the point that growing a family becomes more important than growing a career, then the path to parenthood should be taken.

If career is more important than parenthood, then why have babies?
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IAnd protheus, I don't get why that's shocking. In England we have a huge 'benefit culture', with the highest teen unemployement in Europe.
I'm not shocked about your opinion, but about the "culture"* in your country if that is true. Its a huge difference between here and there, and it seems even larger now. Here you can barely find people (young I mean) who do not work (regardless of family type), except for the minority, the 1% gypsy population of Romania, from which over 60% do not work, ever (a fact, not an assumption).


* don't know if it can be called culture, life style maybe?


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12-20-2010, 09:27 AM

re mis misa comments about our culture.

Unfortunately the welfare system has supported girls who have babies, (the baby that matters of course) and unfortunately some girls do take that route.It is costing the tax payer a lot of money. Things are being done to try to change this way of life for some. thinking that its okay to have children-- because then the govt.will have to give them somewhere to live. we have far too many teenage pregnancies. Often a girls mother will care for the child and the girl can carry on studying or hopefully start working.

The govt. wants to change things because far too many LEECHES take advantage of the welfare system.

We are very short of affordable housing here in UK-- Rents often are sky high.

I wish that sex education would stress the responsibilities of bringing babies into the world.

Our welfare system is trying to make changes so that many on BENEFIT do not lose out if they take a job-- often its the other way round. It can be easier to remain on benefit-- because often the kind of work someone can obtain may not be paid enough to survive.


It is all very complex.

In the olden days, children were literally On the streets> WAIFS and STRAYS.

We had the Poor Law, and the dreadful workhouses.

Until some philanthropists such as DOctor Barnardo set up childrens homes for them-- many of the others were migrated to the commonwealth countries

|Canada, Australia etc.

It is apity that some here do take too much advantage of the Welfare system.

I was an unwanted child-- so paid the penalty of Life in so called CARE.

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12-20-2010, 09:31 AM

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I'm not shocked about your opinion, but about the "culture"* in your country if that is true. Its a huge difference between here and there, and it seems even larger now. Here you can barely find people (young I mean) who do not work (regardless of family type), except for the minority, the 1% gypsy population of Romania, from which over 60% do not work, ever (a fact, not an assumption).


* don't know if it can be called culture, life style maybe?
I wouldn't call it a culture either, I'd call it a problem! But that has become the slang term for those people who actually have a choice whether they work or do nothing.

For once I agree with Dogsbody, we are both from England and you can see we are both aware of this type of problem.
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12-20-2010, 09:41 AM

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And equally, my parents both worked and my childhood was awesome.

LUCKY YOU Misa.

we are not saying parents shouldn't work. Obviously once the child starts school or day nursery they have more freedom to go out to work. Its really the early years that are so important. It can be difficult for a working mother during the school holidays-- but often these days there are facilities for children to go to-- at a cost.

There are far more school nurseries than there used to be. tony Blair wanted to get mothers out into the world of work-- or to carry on studying.


My own children went to PLAY GROUPS for a few hours once they were two and a half years------------ obviously socialising is essential.

I guess that I am old fashioned in my thinking. Have to swim with the tide rather than against it.
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